RE: st: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal

["William Buchanan" <william@williambuchanan.net>]

In addition to the solution reiterated by Maarten, it seems unreasonable to
think that everyone isn't willing to spend all of about 15 seconds to
correctly capture the necessary information to properly cite a package or
article.  Personally, I completely despise EndNote and feel that it is
grossly over-priced given how many other options exist that are open-source.
Most importantly, relying solely on the performance of software like
Mendeley, EndNote, or any other automated bibliographic reference programs
to accurately capture all of the necessary information to properly reference
someone else's work is careless.  

I've found numerous flaws in the way that material is cited when people rely
solely on these automated functions (e.g., referencing an edited book as a
journal, referencing an article with no mention of the journal title,
volume, or number, etc...).  Given that the people putting together these
packages are doing so for the benefit of the greater Stata community, if we
use one of these packages it is solely our responsibility to make sure that
the intellectual property of another Stata community member isn't being
ripped off.

- Billy

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
[mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Maarten Buis
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:36 AM
To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: st: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal

I do not understand the hostility here, nor do I understand the need to
SHOUT.

Anyhow, a solution was already proposed: the listings on the SSC archive.
This includes (usually within days) references to all articles appearing in
the Stata Journal. A complete list of articles can be found here:
<http://ideas.repec.org/s/tsj/stataj.html>.

Say you want to download John Gallup's article in the latest Stata Journal,
than you look it up on the site given above, follow the link (in this case
<http://ideas.repec.org/a/tsj/stataj/v12y2012i1p3-28.html>)
and look for the heading "Bibliographic Info". There you will find "Download
reference", which will allow you to download a citation in various formats,
including the formats you asked for.

-- Maarten

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tiago V. Pereira wrote:
> There is absolutely no point in adding manually references from the 
> Stata Journal to reference manager softwares. I won't do it. People won't
do it.
> I won't pay a lot of money for Web of Science to cite Stata Journal 
> either.
>
> If one does not have FREE and FULL access to each reference from that 
> journal, so that one can quickly import them to reference manager 
> programs (ENDNOTE, REFERENCE MANAGER, etc.), user-written packages won't
get cited.
> Period.
>
>
> The Stata Journal loses. Authors of Stata packages lose. Everything is 
> summarized in "All statistical analyses were conducted using Stata 
> (version X, Stata Corp, College Station, Texas, USA)."
>
> Pity.
>
> Tiago
>
>
>
>
>
> From      Kieran McCaul <kieran.mccaul@uwa.edu.au> To        
> "statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu> 
> Subject           st: RE: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata 
> Journal Date      Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:38:00 +0800
>
>
> ...
>
> You can certainly manually add references to EndNote.
> You can also connect to Web of Science where the Stata Journal is 
> indexed and download the reference directly from there, although 
> access to this may require institutional subscription.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Tiago V.
> Pereira
> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 3:50 AM
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: st: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal
>
> Stas Kolenikov has pointed out a set of very interesting posts that 
> are likely to be useful not only for Stata users but also for Stata 
> programmers.
>
>
> http://stats.stackexchange.com/q/3814/5739
>
>
> One of the messages signalizes:
>
>
> "What particularly irritates me personally is people who clearly used 
> user-written packages for statistical software but don't cite them 
> properly, or at all, thereby failing to give any credit to the authors.
> Doing so is particularly important when the authors are in academia 
> and their jobs depend on publishing papers that get cited. (Perhaps I 
> should add that, in my field, many of the culprits are not
statisticians.)"
>
>
> For example, I am author of a number of papers, which were only 
> published because there are  Roger Newson, Maarten Buis, Roger 
> Harbord, Nick Cox, Jonathan Sterne, Michael Bradburn, ..., among 
> several other researchers that spent thousands of hours writing 
> programs that are now promptly available .
>
>
> However, I don't cite Stata packages, even though several of them have 
> a full paper published in the Stata Journal. It happens that it is 
> very tedious to manually add references to my reference manager 
> program. As I am usually running out of the time, I end up citing only 
> the Stata software, but no user-written package.
>
>
> Since the Stata Journal is indexed in the Science Citation Index 
> Expanded and the CompuMath Citation Index only, I can't found complete 
> references in an appropriate format that enables me to automatically 
> create the citation.
>
>
> So, my suggestion would be to make available complete references in 
> the website, so that one using ENDNOTE, for example, can quickly 
> import a reference and cite it in his/her manuscripts.
>
> This is likely to be of great interest for the Stata Journal as well 
> as for programmers augmenting the credibility of the research work 
> that depends on user-written Stata packages.
>
> All the best,
>
> Tiago
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