Re: st: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal

["Samuel R. Lucas" <lucaselastic@gmail.com>]

Sorry for my innocent error, Maarten!

Sam

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Samuel R. Lucas <lucaselastic@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Martin that there is no need to shout.  I will also say
> that it is an author's responsibility to cite work as best they can,
> such that the only errors should be innocent mistakes, not systematic
> refusals to cite.  If you publish a book with XYZ press, I read your
> book and get code from it I use in my statistical analysis, I can't
> claim "It is too tough to manually enter the information, so I am not
> going to cite your book, and its your presses fault!"  Scholarly
> communication demands that scholars take responsibility and cite the
> work they use.  If some scholar refuses to do this, for whatever
> reason (inconvenience, inconsiderateness, maliciousness) there can be
> costs.
>
> Automatic citing software is supposed to *help* scholarship, not
> REPLACE scholarship.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Sam
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Tiago V. Pereira
> <tiago.pereira@mbe.bio.br> wrote:
>> There is absolutely no point in adding manually references from the Stata
>> Journal to reference manager softwares. I won't do it. People won't do it.
>> I won't pay a lot of money for Web of Science to cite Stata Journal
>> either.
>>
>> If one does not have FREE and FULL access to each reference from that
>> journal, so that one can quickly import them to reference manager programs
>> (ENDNOTE, REFERENCE MANAGER, etc.), user-written packages won't get cited.
>> Period.
>>
>>
>> The Stata Journal loses. Authors of Stata packages lose. Everything is
>> summarized in "All statistical analyses were conducted using Stata
>> (version X, Stata Corp, College Station, Texas, USA)."
>>
>> Pity.
>>
>> Tiago
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From      Kieran McCaul <kieran.mccaul@uwa.edu.au>
>> To        "statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu" <statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu>
>> Subject           st: RE: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal
>> Date      Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:38:00 +0800
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> You can certainly manually add references to EndNote.
>> You can also connect to Web of Science where the Stata Journal is indexed
>> and download the reference directly from there, although access to this
>> may require institutional subscription.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
>> [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Tiago V.
>> Pereira
>> Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 3:50 AM
>> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
>> Subject: st: Suggestion - Citing references from Stata Journal
>>
>> Stas Kolenikov has pointed out a set of very interesting posts that are
>> likely to be useful not only for Stata users but also for Stata
>> programmers.
>>
>>
>> http://stats.stackexchange.com/q/3814/5739
>>
>>
>> One of the messages signalizes:
>>
>>
>> "What particularly irritates me personally is people who clearly used
>> user-written packages for statistical software but don't cite them
>> properly, or at all, thereby failing to give any credit to the authors.
>> Doing so is particularly important when the authors are in academia and
>> their jobs depend on publishing papers that get cited. (Perhaps I should
>> add that, in my field, many of the culprits are not statisticians.)"
>>
>>
>> For example, I am author of a number of papers, which were only published
>> because there are  Roger Newson, Maarten Buis, Roger Harbord, Nick Cox,
>> Jonathan Sterne, Michael Bradburn, ..., among several other researchers
>> that spent thousands of hours writing programs that are now promptly
>> available .
>>
>>
>> However, I don't cite Stata packages, even though several of them have a
>> full paper published in the Stata Journal. It happens that it is very
>> tedious to manually add references to my reference manager program. As I
>> am usually running out of the time, I end up citing only the Stata
>> software, but no user-written package.
>>
>>
>> Since the Stata Journal is indexed in the Science Citation Index Expanded
>> and the CompuMath Citation Index only, I can't found complete references
>> in an appropriate format that enables me to automatically create the
>> citation.
>>
>>
>> So, my suggestion would be to make available complete references in the
>> website, so that one using ENDNOTE, for example, can quickly import a
>> reference and cite it in his/her manuscripts.
>>
>> This is likely to be of great interest for the Stata Journal as well as
>> for programmers augmenting the credibility of the research work that
>> depends on user-written Stata packages.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Tiago
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