Re: st: AW: double hurdle model with Tobit second stage estimation

[Kirimi Sindi <sindijul@msu.edu>]

Hi Erickson,

I do not seem to get the paper in The Stata Journal. Actually I have no 
access to the journal. However, if I get you correctly do I estimate a 
probit model of the first stage then before estimating the tobit model I 
write " drop if <var> == 0 ", then estimate the Tobit directly? Will 
this solve my problem whereas the Tobit model does not account for the 
joint correlation of the error terms in the two models?

For your information the dependent variable in the second stage is a 
continuous variable with 70% pile up of zeros not count.

Saha et. al, 1997 ( Applied Economics, 1997, 29, 1311-1316) in their 
paper on "Calculating Marginal effects for zero expenditures ....." 
argue that the problem can be solved by adding inverse of the Mills 
Ration of the first stage Probit. This is equivalent to the two stage 
Heckman selection model which I am not sure solves my problem.

I am wondering which would help?

Kirimi

Erickson, Ken wrote:
> Hi David and 'Statalisters',
>
> My colleague Mike just suggested this:
>
> ...Ken,
>
> Can you send my response to him?
>
> You need to use a drop statement   drop if <var> == 0
>
> Do this before the second stage...
>
> See "From the help desk: hurdle models," The Stata Journal, 2003, 3, Number 2, pp.178-184.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Ken Erickson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of David Jacobs
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: st: AW: double hurdle model with Tobit second stage estimation
>
> You've probably thought of this as well, but what 
> about the -zip- or -znb- models in Stata.  Those 
> options allow large proportions of zeros in your outcome variable.
>
> Is the problem with these models that the values 
> above zero are not integers?  If they are 
> integers or could be made into integers without 
> messing things up, then these two equation count estimators might work.
>
> Dave Jacobs
>
> At 01:16 PM 2/25/2009, you wrote:
>   
> > Heckprob is not appropriate in my case. Heckprob 
> > would treat the pile of zeros i have as 
> > unobserved whereas the Tobit treats them as 
> > observed zeros. This is the case in my data and 
> > therefore heckprob is not an appropriate model. 
> > I could run a first stage Probit then a second 
> > stage Tobit. However, the Tobit in the second 
> > stage does not use all the data observed and 
> > hence the standard errors will not be correct 
> > leading to wrong t statistics and be unable to interpret the results.
> >
> > Kirimi
> >
> > Martin Weiss wrote:
> >     
> > > <>
> > > Have you looked into
> > >
> > >
> > > *************
> > > help heckprob
> > > *************
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> > > [mailto:owner-statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu] Im Auftrag von Kirimi Sindi
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2009 17:43
> > > An: statalist@hsphsun2.harvard.edu
> > > Betreff: st: double hurdle model with Tobit second stage estimation
> > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > I working on a double hurdle model. The first 
> > > stage is a Probit model and the second stage is 
> > > Tobit due to pile up of zeros. Is there a do 
> > > program that can assist me in this procedure to 
> > > get the correct standard errors accounting for the first stage estimation?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Kirimi
> > >
> > >
> > >       
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Kirimi Sindi
PhD Candidate
Department of Agricultural,
Food, and Resource Economics
Room 20 Cook Hall
Michigan State University
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