Re: st: Test for significance of the difference between knee locations?

["Roger B. Newson" <r.newson@imperial.ac.uk>]

So it IS a 3-parameter linear spline model after all, and the knee is 
just the central knot?

Roger

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On 18/10/2012 22:26, Jordan Silberman wrote:
> According to one approach (from Dmitri Kaplan, described here:
> http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/35094-knee-point/content/knee_pt.m),
> the knee is the x value that minimizes the sum of the squared errors
> of two linear regressions--one modeling all points left of the knee
> and one modeling all points right of the knee. It's an estimate of the
> point at which the slope "turns."
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Roger B. Newson
> <r.newson@imperial.ac.uk> wrote:
> > What is the "knee" of a quadratic model? I never knew that they had knees
> > (although I might expect a 3-parameter linear spline to have a knee).
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > Roger B Newson BSc MSc DPhil
> > Lecturer in Medical Statistics
> > Respiratory Epidemiology and Public Health Group
> > National Heart and Lung Institute
> > Imperial College London
> > Royal Brompton Campus
> > Room 33, Emmanuel Kaye Building
> > 1B Manresa Road
> > London SW3 6LR
> > UNITED KINGDOM
> > Tel: +44 (0)20 7352 8121 ext 3381
> > Fax: +44 (0)20 7351 8322
> > Email: r.newson@imperial.ac.uk
> > Web page: http://www.imperial.ac.uk/nhli/r.newson/
> > Departmental Web page:
> > http://www1.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/about/divisions/nhli/respiration/popgenetics/reph/
> >
> > Opinions expressed are those of the author, not of the institution.
> >
> >
> > On 18/10/2012 21:25, Jordan Silberman wrote:
> > > Hi Stata folks,
> > >
> > > I'm searching for a method I can run in Stata that will allow me to
> > > test whether the location of the knee for one quadratic model
> > > significantly differs from that of another quadratic model.
> > >
> > > I have 2 quadratic models, each modeling a different category of
> > > healthcare costs as a function of age. Let's say, for illustrative
> > > purposes, that the knee of the first quadratic model occurs at age 45,
> > > and the knee for the second model occurs at age 55.
> > >
> > > Can anybody suggest a method for testing whether the former "knee age"
> > > differs significantly from the latter "knee age?" The idea is to test
> > > the hypothesis that there is a difference across the 2 models in the
> > > age at which the costs growth rate begins to increase.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jordan
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